o me, this regard is reflected in the ambition to develop participatory arts and culture for older people into a profession, with recognised career pathways. The Germans call this emerging profession 'Kulturgeragogik'. A rough translation might be something like cultural gerontology. Emerging from the feeling that pedagogy ' linguistically and in practice inextricably linked with children's learning ' was not appropriate to describe work with older people, the idea is that it reflects the needs, interests and capabilities of older people. Since 2008, many people ' from the cultural field and care professions ' have now taken long and short courses in Kulturgeragogik with Kubia and the University of Applied Sciences in MÃ¼nster. The belief is not that we cannot all be artists without artistic training. Rather it is that training and the building of an academic discipline are an essential part of making art for and by older people a right not a privilege, and of ensuring that it and its practitioners are taken seriously and continue to be supported.